The alt-right is a very diverse group, and there is no where that I know of where there is a concise list of political beliefs of the alt-right in terms of an actual platform. The closest thing I know of to this is Vox Day’s “What the Alternative Right Is.” I will comment on each of the 16 positions it lays out (though some of the 16 items are not actually positions.)

If anyone knows of a more specific listing of what the alt-right believes, written by someone in the alt-right, let me know.

1. The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right. National Socialists are not Alt Right.

This is not a political position, so I have no opinion on it.

2. The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk’s 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.

That’s my biggest problem with the alt-right right. It’s an “alternative to libertarianism,” in other words, it’s yet another big government ideology. As if we don’t have enough of those already.

Vox Day used to be a libertarian. No longer. Stefan Molyneux used to be a libertarian. No longer. Even guys like Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson used to self-identify as libertarians. No longer.

So many voices for small government have been forever destroyed, converted to the alt-right, putting the nails in the coffin of the libertarian philosophy. Not that it ever had a chance to begin with, of course. Modern day humans hate freedom; the alt-right is just another example of this.

3. The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.

I have no opinion on this other than to ask what exactly “victory” is. If it’s to return America to the 1950’s, then I’m sorry, that ship has sailed, and was burned to kindling in the sea, a very long time ago. But again, victory is not clearly defined here so I can’t articulate a response to it.

4. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

I agree Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement so far. That’s factual and undeniable. I agree that Christianity, Europe, and the Graeco-Roman legacy are all key components of it.

I also think that Christianity is woefully outdated, as is much of European culture (i.e. Western European style socialism), and some things that worked 200 years ago will not work today. Advice that was great for the man in the 1800’s, or even for the 1950’s, is often terrible advice for the 21st Century man.

5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.

I agree. However, I think immigration is fine as long as you don’t give one penny of government money or one drip of free government services to immigrants, as I explained in detail here. Singapore doesn’t do that, I don’t know why we can’t either.

The problem isn’t immigrants. The problem is the massive wave of incoming immigrants looking for free money that the government welfare state gleefully provides. If no immigrants receive any free cash or services to come to your nation, very few will come, and the few that do are the good, skilled, hardworking ones that can actually help your economy (as long as they aren’t too many all at once), like those who came to the US pre-1960’s.

6. The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.

I agree completely.

7. The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.

I agree completely. Equality is a concept that does not exist in nature. As Scott Adams once said, equality was invented so stupid people could participate in arguments.

8. The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.

Jesus, Vox. What the hell is “scientodific?” C’mon, man.

Anyway, I more or less agree that science is often perverted by politics and money, yes.

9. The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.

I 100% agree with that statement. I’m not sure if I agree with what that statement implies. I can’t read Vox’s mind so I agree with the statement as stated.

10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.

I agree.

Again, if you just keep government very tiny, none of this will ever be a problem.

11. The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.

I agree, but I don’t think it’s that simple in that there are other factors involved, namely, big government. I have a hard time imagining at lot of black vs. white conflict in a 100% libertarian country where no one gets any free stuff or privileges from the government whatsoever, but this has never happened so I could be wrong.

12. The Alt Right doesn’t care what you think of it.

Not a political view.

13. The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.

Disagree. There are far too many historical examples of free trade success stories (like Hong Kong, as just one example) to just say that “free trade is bad.”

That doesn’t mean I’m for unfettered free trade. Some protectionism is warranted. For example, if you have all of your military hardware manufactured in China, what happens if you go to war against China? Therefore, I’m for free trade, but with some exceptions.

14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

Ha! Sorry, I stopped giving a fuck about my fellow white people a very long time ago. By embracing socialism, war, and political correctness, white people have destroyed themselves. No one made them do it. White people did this to themselves. Now I’m supposed to feel sorry for them? Nope. You shit in your own bed, now lay in it. I’m buggin’ out.

15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.

I agree.

16. The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

I agree… but why did you guys vote for Trump then? He loves needless war. Someone like Rand Paul would have been a much better choice if you guys are truly anti-war.

28 Comments on “Where I Stand on the Alt-Right’s Platform

  1. 15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.

    I agree also. So then, why do so many supposed alt-righters who write a post on Return of Kings have to throw in random anti-semitic vitriol? I start reading a post, and then I see something like (((Name))) and I get instantly turned off to whatever the original message of the post was. Ugh.

  2. The problem is the massive wave of incoming immigrants looking for free money that the government welfare state gleefully provides.

     

    What makes you believe that is the reason most of them come? When the economy went sour in 2008, jobs dried up but the free money kept flowing… and large numbers of unauthorized Mexican immigrants went home. And if the problem is immigrants looking for handouts, why do we make it illegal to hire unauthorized immigrants? Why does ICE focus so much effort into rounding up and deporting WORKING immigrants who don’t have some government permission slip?

    [Quoting VD] The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.

    Or any other means? How about by working harder and smarter than your neighbors and raising your children to be leaders? Indian immigrants and their descendants have gained what some might call “excessive influence” in Silicon Valley — they are heavily overrepresented in upper management — but as far as I can tell they got there based on merit. Or how about simply being the smartest ethnic group in existence (average IQ of 115), and having a culture that encourages education? That’s how the Ashkenazi Jews achieved their “excessive influence” in Western culture, which includes earning 25% of all Nobel Prizes.

    For example, if you have all of your military hardware manufactured in China, what happens if you go to war against China?

    So make sure the military buys domestically. That’s no excuse to go imposing trade restrictions on the rest of the country.

  3. 4. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

    Western civilization is indeed the pinnacle of all human achievement and an unquestionably superior civilization in literally every way. But this is due to the principles of the Renaissance and the European Enlightenment, not Christianity. Christianity is precisely an enemy to the principles which make our civilization great and free. This is where the Alt Right sneaks in their sexual prudery, slut shaming, and a bunch of other medieval shit as well.

    5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.

    The problem with this is that they have a much broader definition of “homogeneous” and “unadulterated” than I do. I’m referring to culture, whereas they are referring to race, because they believe that culture has exclusively genetic roots based on race and skin color. So “homogeneous” and “unadulterated” basically means “white” for them, which I don’t agree with. All races should be treated equally and welcome here, as long as they culturally assimilate.

    Nor do I agree that our culture should be collectivistic and “high trust” with no room for introverts and individualists to breathe. That too creates a prudish society and a culture in which creativity and privacy are strangled by the bullshit dictates of “tradition.” I believe there should be an elementary cultural baseline which everyone should be forced to conform to (i.e. speak English amigos, and stop waving foreign flags), but beyond that baseline, privacy and individualism should be encouraged and fostered.

    6. The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.

    Amen!

    7. The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.

    Uhhh, no! Equality may be a myth in the personal, or social sphere, as well as on the spiritual, material, and intellectual plain, but equality under the law should be mandatory. If everyone gets equal opportunity, we can let the chips fall where they may and the inferior people will have no excuse. But if you throw out legal equality, you’ll have people whining that they aren’t achieving because “the white man is keeping me down” and other tired clichés.

    Equality of opportunity should be culturally and legally enforced. The Alt Right disagrees because it wants to literally keep women chained to the stove and financially dependent for life on the man they lost their virginity to. Fuck that! They also want to legally discriminate against non-white races.

    All of these positions are deceptively generic, by the way.

    8. The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.

    Agreed.

    9. The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.

    Huh? They’re talking about racial identity now, which is bullshit. I do agree though that politics is downstream from culture.

    10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.

    This is basically a covert statement of white supremacy.

    The problem here is that they’re talking about race and ethnicity instead of culture. Who cares if a group of people who just happen to have a different skin color end up dominating a country, or if the genetically native population becomes a minority? As long as the culture is transmitted, that’s all that matters. And I believe in a very individualistic culture at that!

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    11. The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.

    More racism. Although if you take that statement and apply it exclusively to culture, then I agree. Cultural assimilation is essential. Multiculturalism is a globalist scam whose goal is to abolish everything that makes countries different from one another by making every country and equal miniature composite of the entire planet, thus abolishing any philosophical objection to the chilling idea of one world government. Multiculturalism must thus be abolished.

    13. The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.

    Wholeheartedly agree. Free trade is one of the biggest threats to national sovereignty. It must be abolished. Protectionism should be encoded into law. NAFTA, GATT, and all other international agreements should be repealed. The U.S. must also shred all of its international treaties, foreign entanglements, and memberships in any and all global organizations, such as the United Nations, NATO, the IMF, the World Bank, the Bank of International Settlements, etc…

    Civic nationalism and economic nationalism must be encoded into law.

    14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

    No. We must secure the existence of all people, including whites. Unfortunately, it’s the “including whites” part that liberals disagree with today. This requires white equalists to make alliances with white supremacists because until white equality is achieved, the white equalist and white supremacist has the same goals. Only after politically correct anti-white bigots are defeated does the white equalist and white supremacist part company. If decent white people are making alliances with racist bigots, PC liberals have no one to blame but themselves.

    15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.

    They don’t believe in the “general” supremacy of white people, but in the “specific” supremacy of white natives within western lands. I disagree. I believe that western culture should be dominant and transmitted to all who live here, but as long as you are a westerner and American, it shouldn’t matter what race you are. By contrast, the idea that whites should be allowed to dwell here unmolested (implying that others don’t) is implicit white supremacy and goes hand in hand with numbers 7 and 10.

    This is all, again, deceptively generic.

    16. The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

    HAHAHA! You assholes are against efforts to “exterminate individual nations” through “genetic assimilation?” You mean, interracial dating? HAHA! You think interracial dating leads to the extermination of the nation? Pathetic.

    Caleb, you didn’t do a good job seeing through this generic shit!

     

  4. Yeah they lost me at the race and non-free market talk. Also, I’m one of those tanned Italian dudes so most lighter people ask if I’m Lebanese or Latino. I wouldn’t make the cut lol.

    I honestly think all of those statutes would work themselves out if we just put the economy first. Old fashioned Hard work cures a lot of first world problems

  5. Vox’s opinions on what the alt-right is don’t really hold up to what I’ve repeatedly encountered among them. Most of them are socalists, many have an amusing yet  fondness for Hitler and National Socialism, and most have no principles or interest in what they’re country becomes as long as it is sufficiently white, aka Moldova or Kosovo.

     

    Not to try and psychoanalyze these people too much, but most of them are your garden variety losers who want to surrender to some greater cause because posting “white genocide is a crime” and other such inanities on youtube  is easier than improving their lives.

  6. I would love to see you and Vox Day have a conversation about this. I think you missed the point in several places, and that an open conversation on this would be interesting for everyone else to see where you two still differ afterwards.

  7. How do you know trump loves needless war?He hasnt started one so far

    Just needlessly escalated ongoing conflicts, while moving us towards war with North Korea and trying to stir up war with Iran.

    Obama was rightly criticized for his record-breaking bombing campaigns as President (and this guy got the Nobel Peace Prize?) Trump is on track to exceed Obama’s record: by half a year into his presidency Trump had already dropped 80% of Obama’s total for the entire year of 2016.

    And, although the US is not officially at war with Syria, bombing that Syrian air force base was an act of war.

     

     

  8. I once suggested you write an article about the alt-right, but you said you didn’t want to give them anymore attention… what happened?

    Imo these guys are just another shade of sjw

  9. The extreme right and left both just want to use the force of government to impose their ideas on everyone… why can’t we just have freedom?

  10. I agree also. So then, why do so many supposed alt-righters who write a post on Return of Kings have to throw in random anti-semitic vitriol?

    Because many in the alt-right (not all, but many) are actual racists. Some are even proud of it.

    What makes you believe that is the reason most of them come?

    The stats.

    https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households

    And if the problem is immigrants looking for handouts, why do we make it illegal to hire unauthorized immigrants? Why does ICE focus so much effort into rounding up and deporting WORKING immigrants who don’t have some government permission slip?

    Because big government is afraid it will not receive tax revenue from working illegals.

    Or any other means? How about by working harder and smarter than your neighbors and raising your children to be leaders?

    Agree 100%. Meritocracy, period. Not “raceocricy.”

    So make sure the military buys domestically. That’s no excuse to go imposing trade restrictions on the rest of the country.

    I more or less agree, though it’s a little more complicated than that.

    Western civilization is indeed the pinnacle of all human achievement and an unquestionably superior civilization in literally every way. But this is due to the principles of the Renaissance and the European Enlightenment, not Christianity. Christianity is precisely an enemy to the principles which make our civilization great and free. This is where the Alt Right sneaks in their sexual prudery, slut shaming, and a bunch of other medieval shit as well.

    Just like with the argument I quoted right above yours, I don’t disagree per se, but you’re drastically oversimplifying it. You’re displaying Christianity’s negatives (of which there are many, as I’ve written about many times) while completely ignoring it’s historical positives. It’s not a black and white issue.

    I’m referring to culture, whereas they are referring to race, because they believe that culture has exclusively genetic roots based on race and skin color. So “homogeneous” and “unadulterated” basically means “white” for them, which I don’t agree with. All races should be treated equally and welcome here, as long as they culturally assimilate.

    Agree 100%. A few alt-right guys (though not many) like Gavin McInnes have talked about this.

    Caleb, you didn’t do a good job seeing through this generic shit!

    Yes. Clearly I’m an idiot because I disagree with you sometimes.

    How do you know trump loves needless war?He hasnt started one so far

    Instead he’s exacerbated Obama’s needless wars.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-expected-to-announce-small-troop-increase-in-afghanistan-in-prime-time-address/2017/08/21/eb3a513e-868a-11e7-a94f-3139abce39f5_story.html?utm_term=.12d3fb70581d

    http://calebjonesblog.com/warned-trump-didnt-listen/

    Vox’s opinions on what the alt-right is don’t really hold up to what I’ve repeatedly encountered among them. Most of them are socalists, many have an amusing yet  fondness for Hitler and National Socialism, and most have no principles or interest in what they’re country becomes as long as it is sufficiently white, aka Moldova or Kosovo.

    Yes, I think Vox’s items are a little too on the positive side. But like I said, that was the only concise listing of alt-right platform beliefs I could find.

    I think you missed the point in several places

    I would love to see you and Vox Day have a conversation about this. I think you missed the point in several places

    Then either I’m stupid or he didn’t communicate some of his points well.

    Vox and I have emailed several times over the years, but I can promise you he would not want to discus anything with an anti-monogamy, anti-traditional-marriage man like me.

    Trump is on track to exceed Obama’s record: by half a year into his presidency Trump had already dropped 80% of Obama’s total for the entire year of 2016.

    And, although the US is not officially at war with Syria, bombing that Syrian air force base was an act of war.

    Correct and correct. Trump is a fucking warmonger, just like Obama and Bush before him.

    I once suggested you write an article about the alt-right, but you said you didn’t want to give them anymore attention… what happened?

    I’m pretty sure that’s not what I said, since that doesn’t sound like me. Instead what I probably said was that I am sick and tired f all the sjw and anti-sjw rhetoric on the internet, and I am. But since these are driving forces in our current society, I have to address them at least every once in a while.

    Imo these guys are just another shade of sjw

    They often make the identical-but-mirrored arguments, yes.

    Trump supporters make LITERALLY the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS defending Trump as Obama supporters did during Obama’s time. The other person would have been worse, he’s playing three dimensional chess and you’re too stupid to understand, you need to give him more time, everyone is against him, he didn’t really mean X when he said X he meant Y, etc. Same exact shit.

    The extreme right and left both just want to use the force of government to impose their ideas on everyone… why can’t we just have freedom?

    Modern day Westerners don’t want freedom. Real freedom terrifies them.

  11. It’s possible that the stats cited by the Center for Immigration Studies are legit, but… the CIS has an axe to grind here, as it’s an anti-immigration advocacy organization. That doesn’t mean one can simply dismiss their study, but a study carried out by people who already know what answer they want is bound to have some bias, in the interpretation if nothing else. The Cato Institute (yes, they have their own axe to grind) has an analysis of the study here:

    https://www.cato.org/blog/cis-exaggerates-cost-immigrant-welfare-use .

    See also these criticisms:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies#Controversial_reports

    To be honest, I haven’t taken the time to read both the CIS report and the criticisms of it in enough detail to know what to believe here. One ironic detail of the CIS report, though, is that illegal immigrants — the people everyone gets most upset about — make little or no use of the welfare system.

  12. Well, that is a very rare thing you found there Caleb. Let me explain, in the modern political climate you find a lot of shouting about ‘dog-whistles’. Normally this is all bullshit. Say for example you read a lot of neoreactionary stuff (NRx) and you use their term ‘the cathedral’ in conversation. Now people start to shout at you for being a secret neoreactionary, just because you internalized some of their vocabulary. But it isn’t like you are repeating their ideas, or are on board with them.

    But that doesn’t mean that genuine dog-whistles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics) don’t exist. They just are rare. But Vox Day pulled one right here.
    Number 14. The infamous fourteen words (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words) This also cannot be a mistake, Vox is a smart man, and he understands where this comes from. He only could have signaled it clearer if he had mentioned 88 next to it. This is also why in the comments below his article this 14th thing gets a lot of support.

    It also plays into the ‘we are not serious we are really trolling’ trick they pull a lot. Which is basically a fallacy The motte and bailey fallacy. ( https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/08/09/the-motte-and-the-bailey-a-rhetorical-strategy-to-know/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/03/all-in-all-another-brick-in-the-motte/ ) Which is a rather devious rhetorical strategy  (something vox also knows about, so not used by accident here) often employed by a lot of dishonest people. (It is pretty popular amongst feminist).

    So yeah, this makes it pretty clear to me that they are white nationalists at least, and prob means they also carry the whole shit of being against ‘degeneracy’ (aka, hating on gay people, non Christians, trans people (*) etc)

    *: and before 2014, white nationalist like people were also pretty anti-gamers, but after gamergate became a thing they noticed allies among the gamers. But sometimes this hatred still slips through, when they start to hate on cosplay, or anime, or generic fantasy. To me, that just shows, ‘gamers get the bullet too’. Just as liberals should not be allies to commies, gamers should not be allies to the alt right (nor feminism for that matter). Long ago I used to be a metalhead, and I have seen the political violence from both sides. From both sides! Events were shut down by both christians ‘this music is anti christian’ and antifa ‘this music is secretly fascist’. Bot sides are just authoritarian.

  13. As a word of warning, mentioning the 14 words in a negative way on voxdays blog. Bannable. Linking it to white nationalism/supremacy, bannable. Etc.

  14. Vox’s opinions on what the alt-right is don’t really hold up to what I’ve repeatedly encountered among them. Most of them are socalists, many have an amusing yet  fondness for Hitler and National Socialism

    That’s become our first “love affair” after WWII: Socialism. And like Ayn Rand argues, its one of many things that has contributed to the existential destruction of the individual.

    these guys are just another shade of sjw

    Absolutely. They want a better world for themselves and no one else. This is another “love affair” that we have developed that has contributed to the existential death of the individual.

    Although I don’t call them Social Justice Warriors, I call them Social Vengeance Warriors. Because to any anarcho-capitalist, Justice = Vengeance.

  15. It’s possible that the stats cited by the Center for Immigration Studies are legit, but… the CIS has an axe to grind here, as it’s an anti-immigration advocacy organization.

    I don’t disagree with those conflicting reports, but even they state that these studies aren’t way off, just off in certain areas. There’s still plenty of smoke in the kitchen indicating that today’s immigrants get a lot of free shit, and that everyone in the world knows it, including other potential immigrants in their home countries who want to come here.

    We can nitpick the numbers all we like, but if your position is “immigrants (legal or illegal isn’t relevant) don’t come here because they want free stuff and it has nothing to do with their decision to come” then I don’t see any data that backs that up.

    But that doesn’t mean that genuine dog-whistles don’t exist. They just are rare.

    I agree.

    mentioning the 14 words in a negative way on voxdays blog. Bannable. Linking it to white nationalism/supremacy, bannable. Etc.

    Not surprised. I am literally the only blog in the manosphere that I know of that offers real free speech to its commenters (beyond the Five Simple Rules). I not only allow people who disagree to comment on my blogs, but welcome them (as long as they don’t make personal attacks).

  16. Although I don’t call them Social Justice Warriors, I call them Social Vengeance Warriors. Because to any anarcho-capitalist, Justice = Vengeance.

    This is bullshit! Justice is about balance and proportionality. Vengeance is about making yourself feel better. Sometimes those two overlap. Other times they don’t.

     

  17. Agree 100%.

    Good. I’m glad we see eye to eye on the whole “they must culturally assimilate” part.

    A few alt-right guys (though not many) like Gavin McInnes have talked about this.

    Gavin McInnes is not Alt Right. He is Alt Lite, like me and Milo.

    Yes. Clearly I’m an idiot because I disagree with you sometimes.

    That isn’t even in the same ballpark as what I said. I said these “positions” are obscenely generic and you interpreted them literally, whereas most people could easily read between the lines. I just think you have a soft spot for Vox, despite him being a Christian theocrat.

     

  18. Good. I’m glad we see eye to eye on the whole “they must culturally assimilate” part.

    Not must. Should. Unlike you, I’m a libertarian, so I believe that if citizens  of a nation or culture decide to radically modify or destroy their own culture, they should be allowed to do so. That’s their fault and their problem. I’ll just leave and go somewhere else.

    I said these “positions” are obscenely generic and you interpreted them literally, whereas most people could easily read between the lines. I just think you have a soft spot for Vox, despite him being a Christian theocrat.

    If you’re saying Vox, as an individual, doesn’t 100% believe 100% of these positions as stated, then I agree with you. But the purpose of the article was to respond to the positions as stated, not to read Vox’s mind.

  19. Hey Calab, With point 14 you don’t disagree with people doing that right?

    I mean you would be against Governments doing any anti white laws or policy in Europe. Is it more you don’t care for the fight for any existence of anyone race? Doesn’t matter if it is called white. More you would save the energy for you and your family?

     

    I will admit I have been screwed more by white (and Asian mostly Indian) people more so then by black. It might be more the area I live in and travel.

     

    I must say if I had to choose to live in a area of multiracial (not multicultural) but everyone is a high iq, high trust (do you keep with your promise, low crime and let live people (small government Libertarians/Conservative) then a society of 100% white people that are majority low iq, low trust, high crime and mostly big government. I mean Hillary Clinton is white. I will say though I think a society 90% North East Asian or White would be better most of the time.

    I also think many people think Latin American and think they are a their own race and are all the same. Many of them are white. The average person from Cuba and Argentina is white.

  20. Hey Calab, With point 14 you don’t disagree with people doing that right?

    I’m an individualist. I don’t disagree with people doing anything as long as it doesn’t directly infringe upon the rights of others.

    However, I also don’t want anyone pestering me or insulting me if I choose to date or marry or procreate with any women who are not white, or if I choose to help non-white men date white women (or vice versa, for that matter). I see a lot of white guys get very angry about his in the alt right, including within the manosphere and even on my blogs.

    I mean you would be against Governments doing any anti white laws or policy in Europe.

    I would be against governments enacting any laws against any particular race. White or not is not relevant to me.

    Is it more you don’t care for the fight for any existence of anyone race?

    Correct. White or black or Chinese, people today make too much of a big deal about race. It’s one factor among many, not the be-all-end-all a lot of people are making it out to be.

    I must say if I had to choose to live in a area of multiracial (not multicultural) but everyone is a high iq, high trust (do you keep with your promise, low crime and let live people (small government Libertarians/Conservative) then a society of 100% white people that are majority low iq, low trust, high crime and mostly big government. I mean Hillary Clinton is white.

    That’s exactly my point. “White people” did this to themselves. No outside race made white people embrace socialism, corporatism, endless needless war, or political correctness. Fucking white people did that on their own. I’m not impressed.

  21. Unlike you, I’m a libertarian,

    Yeah, a “libertarian” who is perfectly okay with state governments brutalizing their citizens for smoking cannabis. Come on, man! You’re only libertarian at the federal level. I, on the other hand, believe that no level of government can dictate what you put into your body.

    I’m willing to end this “who’s the bigger libertarian” pissing contest if you are. 🙂

    so I believe that if citizens  of a nation or culture decide to radically modify or destroy their own culture, they should be allowed to do so.

    Sure! The key word is “citizens.” Citizens can do what they want. But immigrants have no right to change our culture, or even be here without our consent. They are guests on our property (America). And as guests, being here is a privilege, not a right.

    So yes, they MUST be forced to culturally assimilate as a condition for remaining here. We, the citizens, are simply invoking our property rights to this land, just as surely as deciding who may or may not enter our home and under what conditions. What could be more libertarian than that?

     

     

     

  22. Vengeance is about making yourself feel better. Sometimes those two overlap.

    Exactly, and that’s why I’m calling them Social “Vengeance” Warriors. They want to thrive at the expense of others. Ask one about it: They’ll tell ya.

    Justice is about balance and proportionality.

    I have not ONCE seen anything like this ever since I was old enough to make observations about the stuff going on around me (11 or so). Have you? Against/for any race or gender?

    I, on the other hand, believe that no level of government can dictate what you put into your body.

    And yet you frown on anarcho capitalists like myself who believe that no level of government can dictate how its citizens live their lives (or end each others) and spend their money (or the money of others)? Where’s the consistency? Or are you one of these “I believe in voluntarism/NAP buuuut…” people who want a state, but a state that makes their kind and only their kind happy?

    I don’t care either way. I just simply accept, adapt, and adjust to the changes I’m seeing. Progressive Left, Alt Right, they are literally both the same to me. I don’t really think many who read this blog think this way.

  23. Yeah, a “libertarian” who is perfectly okay with state governments brutalizing their citizens for smoking cannabis.

    I do not believe this.

    You’re only libertarian at the federal level. I, on the other hand, believe that no level of government can dictate what you put into your body.

    I believe that as well. I’m also willing to compromise using a federalist system in a very large and diverse nation like the USA. But that doesn’t mean I agree with it or think it’s a good idea; I do not. (I frankly think nations should remain small, and the US should break up into 100 tiny countries, but that’s not going to happen.)

    Citizens can do what they want. But immigrants have no right to change our culture, or even be here without our consent. They are guests on our property (America). And as guests, being here is a privilege, not a right. So yes, they MUST be forced to culturally assimilate as a condition for remaining here.

    I agree with that, until the immigrants become citizens.

  24. I have not ONCE seen anything like this ever since I was old enough to make observations about the stuff going on around me (11 or so). Have you? Against/for any race or gender?

    Justice is about proportionality. An eye for an eye.

    And yet you frown on anarcho capitalists like myself who believe that no level of government can dictate how its citizens live their lives (or end each others)

    Because you anarcho-capitalists just want to replace the government violating your human rights with private citizens violating your human rights. The government CAN AND SHOULD dictate that you aren’t allowed to violate another person’s free will. That’s what the government is for – to protect private citizens from human rights violations committed by other private citizens without the victims being forced to pay ransom (which is money they may not have) to a private security firm.

    and spend their money (or the money of others)?

    You have no right to spend my money without my permission. You have no right to kill me or touch me without my permission. That’s why we need government. Sorry if you can’t wrap your head around that.

    Where’s the consistency?

    What are you talking about? You’re the one who’s inconsistent. You’re against the government for violating human rights, but you’re an anarchist, which means that private people should be allowed to violate human rights, unless the victims pay millions of dollars for private security.

    You think you should have the right to murder me and steal from me without getting arrested, but the government shouldn’t be allowed to exist because it murders and steals? That kind of hypocrisy makes you the inconsistent tyrant.

    I, on the other hand, believe that tyranny must be stamped out, which is why we need government enforcing laws against human rights violations. And the government should be very small, democratic, and with a strong Constitution limiting its power, thus preventing or minimizing governmental violations of human rights. Perfectly consistent. Anarchists scare me because they think I should pay money to protect me and my family from burglars, rapists, thieves, and murderers. Oh please.

    Or are you one of these “I believe in voluntarism/NAP buuuut…” people who want a state, but a state that makes their kind and only their kind happy?

    A state has no business making anyone happy. The only job of the state is to prevent human rights violations. Period.

    I don’t care either way. I just simply accept, adapt, and adjust to the changes I’m seeing. Progressive Left, Alt Right, they are literally both the same to me. I don’t really think many who read this blog think this way.

    Because such thinking is insane. Those movements are all radically different from each other and represent different degrees of bad.

     

     

  25. Honestly caleb i know this is  BDBLOG question but why do alt righter undersexed white dude in their 20s and 30s get mad when they see another “white girl” dating/having sex with a brown/asian/black dude.. is it because of jealousy or something why do they get really pissed? reading alt right platforms has me insecure about interracial relationships now i wish i never even read that

  26. Hey Bd 1 last thing, im in my early 20s and most readers here i feel like are older 30s 40s .. your mixing up the “alt right” like the mainstram left wing media

    Dont get me wrong your awesome

     

    Theres a difference between NEW RIGHT and ALT RIGHT

    NEW RIGHT IS mike cernovich. PJW , alex jones most mainstream right wing youtubers.. we beleive in civil nationlism against the globalists and race amongst us doesnt matter .. against saudis who pull the strings

     

    ALt right are the tiki torch guys – for ethno state like richard spencer and james allsup etc… they thing jews are behind all this they deny hallocaust etc .. i hope u get it now please next article of trump seperate the two its low key bothering me grouping them the same .. you dont put american patriotic rebels and ww2nazi supporters together lol

  27. NEW RIGHT IS mike cernovich. PJW , alex jones most mainstream right wing youtubers.. we beleive in civil nationlism against the globalists and race amongst us doesnt matter .. against saudis who pull the strings. ALt right are the tiki torch guys – for ethno state like richard spencer and james allsup etc… they thing jews are behind all this they deny hallocaust etc

    In the theater of what I call “the collectivist inquisition,” both are the same. They believe they know what is best for others and will violently let others know that. AntiFA and the progressives are the exact same: They want to systematically destroy the individual and are in the game of controlling thoughts and actions. There is a very good reason they attack each other so much; they know that if the groupthink that comprises their foundation crumbles, they will stand no chance. George Carlin was talking about this kind of stuff nearly 30 years ago when he talked about how feminism is attempting to replace patriarchy with matriarchy. (during his HBO special “Doin it Again)

    Cernovich, Spencer, Crowder, Alex Jones et al would have nothing to offer the world if identity politics were completely eliminated. They know that Anarcho-Capitalism (and even its little sister, Anarcho-Communism) is slowly becoming a very real utopia that people genuinely want and because their existence hinges on the identity politics that are not at large in an AnCap or AnCom society, their voices (as well as their significance as human beings and public figures) would deteriorate quickly. We have all the tools for AnCap and AnCom societies to exist, and statists now know this.

    One final observation: Progressives and the Alt Right rely on each other for survival and are pulling puppet strings together. Just like Catholicism and Christianity, just like Judaism and Islam. They give each other agency so that the individual has no agency. They are both on the same team, the collectivist team.

     

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