Moving Out of the Country - You’re Not Going to Do It Just Because of an Election, So Shut Up - Caleb Jones

One of the recurring topics on my blogs for many years now is that I’m moving out of the US on or before 2025, because I don’t want to be around the US or Europe when the shit finally hits the fan, which it will; I just don’t know exactly when. Here are links to some posts that I’ve made about this over the last year or so:

Moving Out of the Country – Part 1
Moving Out of the Country – Where To Go
Moving Out of the Country – Getting a Second Passport
Moving Out of the Country – Poor vs Prosperous Countries
Moving Out of the Country – Where to Put Your Money
Moving Out of the Country – Non Extradition Countries

With the recent Trump election, left-wingers are having meltdowns and panic attacks, and are threatening to leave the country.

They won’t. I don’t care what they say. I only care about what people do. They’ll stay here.

Web sites focusing on how to expatriate to other countries have been overloaded with new customers. International Man and Nomad Capitalist have had a flood of new prospects. The Canada immigration web site crashed because of so many visitors. Etc.

These people aren’t leaving. They’re just having irrational meltdowns. Less than 1-2% of the left-wingers actually visiting these sites or saying they’re going to move out of the country are actually going to do it. They’re full of shit.

Why? Because permanently moving out of your country is an extremely time intensive, research intensive, logistically difficult, and emotionally difficult process. This is one of the reasons I gave myself until 2025 to pull it off. This is a huge project that will take several years to complete and execute correctly. You don’t see me waking up one morning and screaming, “You know what? Fuck this! I hate <insert one item about my country I don’t currently like>! I’m moving to Canada!”

That would be stupid. And I’d be lying.

Instead, my decision to leave the US was made only after years of thought and reflection. It was not a decision I made lightly. I made that decision, not because of one thing like a single election, but for many, many different reasons I enumerated back in 2012 right here. I didn’t think it would take me a few weeks to move out; I figured it would take me 10 years or even longer. 2025 is almost nine years way still.

All these idiots screaming about leaving the country because one guy whom they don’t like got elected are making the thoughtful, rational people like me look bad. Not that I care, but since the Trump election I’ve been repeatedly lumped in with the rabid, irrational left-wingers who are lying by suddenly saying they’re going to leave the US, or secede from the US, when they had no plans to do so before the election, and when I know for a fact they won’t do any of the crap they’re threatening. It’s fascinating, and a little funny.

In several months, these lefties will calm down, stay right where they are, and the usual left-right political battle (that the left has already won, despite Trump) will uselessly continue. While they’re all screaming at each other, I will continue my research and plans to leave the US, and will do so on or before 2025, just as I planned all along.

If you are planning on moving out of your country, as in you really plan on it and were planning on it way before Trump started running for president, just remember that moving away from your country of birth is:

1. Time consuming

2. Research intensive

3. Will probably take several years of preparation and research if you want to do it right

4. Sometimes expensive

5. Emotionally difficult

6. A logistical pain in the ass

7. Temporarily disruptive to your life

Moving out of your country and doing it correctly is not something you just decide to do one day because you’re temporarily angry. It’s a deep commitment to a complicated and difficult long-term plan. Otherwise, forget about it and just stay where you are.

In the next article in this series, I’ll lay out the two or three rough “skeleton” plans I have formulated for myself, and which countries I’ve decided to use under my Five Flags model. That would be all the specific countries I plan on moving to, getting my second passport from, holding my investments in, and basing my business structures in. Stay tuned.

19 Comments on “Moving Out of the Country – You’re Not Going to Do It Just Because of an Election, So Shut Up

  1. Happy Thanksgiving Caleb….can’t wait for the next article in this series (can you write it tomorrow…lol).

  2. What a difference only 4 years can make…..4 years ago, your main choices were Hong Kong, Singapore and Shanghai….now only Hong Kong remains with South America considerations…. one can only guess how your choices will change in the next 4 years…just saying..lol.

  3. I thought about it for a second after the election, but I quickly realized the things I fear most about a Trump presidency will effect the whole world, so there’s no point.

  4. What a difference only 4 years can make…..4 years ago, your main choices were Hong Kong, Singapore and Shanghai….now only Hong Kong remains with South America considerations…. one can only guess how your choices will change in the next 4 years…just sayin

    No, Shanghai is still on the list; it’s just low on the list.

    But yeah, that’s exactly my point. This kind of process takes years to hammer out.

    I thought about it for a second after the election, but I quickly realized the things I fear most about a Trump presidency will effect the whole world, so there’s no point.

    Short of a world war, nothing Trump will do will seriously affect my life. That’s the entire point of an Alpha 2.0 life.

  5. Well, the fact that you can be brutally honest and willing to course correct (like a scientist) when new information becomes apparent is why I follow you, respectfully. Additionally, you have a talent for intelligence and a skill mixed with wisdom and practicality that is quite rare these days and for that reason I adhere to your advice more than any others I read online. Thank you.

  6. Most people can’t move because their life is not mobile. First and foremost their work and sources of income are not mobile. Second, they have debt which ties them down like a mortgage. Third, most people cannot survive out of their social circle bubble, most people have the same friends they’ve had since childhood, let alone family that they are dependent on.

    Most people are not financially independent, socially independent, and survival independent (couldn’t survive in a forest on their own for more than a week).

  7. Short of a world war, nothing Trump will do will seriously affect my life. That’s the entire point of an Alpha 2.0 life.

    That’s essentially what I thought about 24 hours after the election. My biggest fear was, and still is, nuclear weapons, but since I don’t live in a place like New York City or Los Angeles it’s unlikely I’d get hit directly in a nuclear war, but the environmental effects of more than a couple nuclear weapons will effect the whole world. So no point in moving there.

    The second biggest fear is economic. When you have an ignorant moron like Trump in charge of such a huge chunk of the world economy it’s very bad news (see Bush for a recent example of what happens). But, again, any recession in the US will effect the whole world, and while I haven’t quite gotten to what you call an Alpha 2.0 financial situation I’m well on my way, which has naturally made me hard to dislodge financially. If the economy gets bad enough to seriously effect me Trump will have been hung by an angry mob.

    I do feel bad for people like Muslims and LGBT’s who will be harmed in a way they can’t control, but as a white straight man nothing like that will effect me personally.

  8. the environmental effects of more than a couple nuclear weapons will effect the whole world

    True. Since I have literally zero control over this, I put it out of my mind a long time ago and don’t worry about it; essentially putting it in the 2% rule even if the real risk is a little higher than that.

    When you have an ignorant moron like Trump in charge of such a huge chunk of the world economy it’s very bad news

    Trump won’t be in charge. Mike Pence will. President Pence might be ridiculous too, but he’s not a moron.

    And my original point stands; once you get to an Alpha 2.0 financial structure, the economy can tank and you’ll be just fine. Better get to work!

  9. “Trump won’t be in charge. Mike Pence will”
    CJ, does Pence have the sort of power that could result in banning evolution from classes, or at least teaching creationism along with it ? He’s rumored to be a creationist, and if that shit is taught again in he US, then the country is entering a dark age indeed.

  10. “He’s rumored to be a creationist, and if that shit is taught again in he US, then the country is entering a dark age indeed.”

    I don’t think he wants science, evolution etc to be REPLACED along creationism, just taught alongside it, letting students choose on their own what makes sense for them. At least I hope that’s what Pence is purporting.

  11. CJ, does Pence have the sort of power that could result in banning evolution from classes, or at least teaching creationism along with it ?

    No. He can blabber about whatever he wants, but it’s unlikely his hand will reach into your local public school within 4 years, particularly with our current anti-Christian, left-wing culture.

    He’s rumored to be a creationist,

    I’m sure he is.

    and if that shit is taught again in he US, then the country is entering a dark age indeed

    The country is entering into a dark age already. Donald fucking Trump was just elected president. (And if it wasn’t him, it would have been Hillary fucking Clinton).

  12. @Tony:

    Can you give me even one statement or indication that Trump ever made that could be interpreted as being hostile to the alphabet community? He’s the most pro-alphabet president in American history. He even said he’d be willing to allow trannies to use whatever bathroom they want in Trump Tower.

    Also, why would you feel bad about Muslims being legally “harmed?” And are you suggesting that “white straight men” can’t be Muslims? Why not?

    @Gil Galad:

    Neither the president nor vice president has the power to allow creationism in public school. In 1968 (Epperson v. Arkansas). the U.S Supreme Court declared that banning evolution from public schools violates the First Amendment’s guarantee to the Separation of Church and State. In 1986 (Edwards v. Aguillard) the Court declared that teaching creationism in public schools violates the First Amendment as well. In order to overturn the Supreme Court, Pence would need a Constitutional Amendment repealing the First, and that won’t happen.

    @BD:

    I don’t mean to sound like a nagging woman, but since you keep throwing it in our faces with all these quotations you’re making it your posts, you’re making me drool and say “I want that.” It would be really awesome if we can have the quote feature as well as all the other features from your other blog here. No pressure. Just saying.

  13. @Jack Outside the Box

    The problem with Trump is that he contradicts himself so much that you can say he agrees with you on basically any issue no matter what your opinion on it is. But on the LGBT point, the fact that he nominated Mike Pence for VP shows his lack f concern for those people. Nobody who could be described as “He’s the most pro-alphabet president in American history.” would nominate a guy like Pence. And as Caleb said, Pence will have a lot of influence, and when it comes to Supreme Court justices Trump will happily nominate people who are anti-LGBT, just like his VP pick.

    But really, as far as LGBT people are concerned, the biggest thing that will impact their lives is the cultural aspect, not the legal (I don’t think very many people who follow Caleb’s blogs would shed much of a tear about people not marrying”. The Alt-Right is very anti-LGBT, and Trump’s victory has embolden them to actually take action.

    Of course White straight men can be Muslim, but that’s just a dodge and you know it. No rational person could argue that Trump will be good for Muslims. At the very best you could argue that Trump won’t keep his promises and it will be neutral to Muslims, but even then again the cultural impact of having an anti-Muslim bigot as President will increase the number of attacks on Muslims.

  14. It astounds me that people who post on FB about crying and missing work due to the election think they grasp the fortitude to pick up stakes and leave everything they’ve ever known and understood.

    I’ve mentioned before, ive been looking at moving myself and it will probably be 2020 for me before that happens. I’ve probably changed the destination country about 6 times over the last several years. These people who think they’re going to throw a dart at a map and instantly have all of their problems solved are in for a rude surprise.

  15. @Tony:

    The U.S. Supreme Court has declared that homosexual behavior is protected under the 9th Amendment all the way back in 2001 (Lawrence v. Texas).. Going back even further to 1996, the Court stated that discriminating against the alphabet people in government employment violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment (Romer v. Evens). And finally, in 2015, the Court declared that gay marriage is a protected right under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment as well (Obergefell v. Hodges).

    These judicial precedents are now the law of the land and the Supreme Court is now bound to honor them as historical precedent under the “stare decisis” rule of Constitutional interpretation. While it is true that the Supreme Court may reverse its own past decisions, it is extremely rare that it does that on Constitutional issues pertaining to fundamental human rights (and even rarer without a good reason).

    Mike Pence, as Vice-President, is powerless on the subject of Constitutional issues. Equality for homosexuals is now a matter of settled Constitutional law, which would require a Constitutional Amendment to overturn. The only exception is the gay adoption of children, which has not been acknowledged as a Constitutional right, but is nevertheless legal in all 50 states. The only legal discrimination left is against the trans-gendered, both in terms of employment discrimination and adoption of children. Still, the Vice President has very little to do with this.

    Considering all of these legal protections, cultural action against the alphabeters will mostly be limited only to Free Speech, which doesn’t violate anyone’s rights. Although, admittedly, trannies who want to adopt children or get a job may face legal and professional discrimination in conservative areas.

    As an anti-Muslim bigot myself, I concur that Trump won’t be good for Muslims, but, unlike you, I see this as a good thing, since it is my opinion that a crackdown against primitive, anti-human barbarism invented by a 7th century child molester is the mark of a decent civilization. But we can agree to disagree on that. If it’s any comfort to you Islam apologists, the First Amendment still guarantees the freedom of religion.

  16. “The country is entering into a dark age already. Donald fucking Trump was just elected president. (And if it wasn’t him, it would have been Hillary fucking Clinton).”

    This. I’ve been toying with the idea of moving for a few years now, but it wasn’t until early this year, when I saw what our likely choices were going to be for president, that I truly grasped just how bad things are getting and how quickly.
    I’m working on a 5-year relocation plan but as Caleb describes it ain’t so simple. I may end up not making it solidly out of the country until 2025 myself.
    I find spending a lot of time in my target countries and fostering relationships there is helping me understand some of the challenges (and opportunities) I will face more than any other part of my preparation. Plus it’s very enjoyable, and since I’m focused on south america I get the additional stimulation of working on my spanish language fluency, which is great mental exercise and a fun challenge. Exciting times!

Leave a Reply

To leave a comment, enter your comment below. PLEASE make sure to read the commenting rules before commenting, since failure to follow these rules means your comment may be deleted. Also please do not use the username “Anonymous” or “Anon” or any variation thereof (makes things too confusing).

Off-topic comments are allowed, but Caleb will ignore those.

Caleb responds to comments in person, but he only does so on the two most current blog articles.

Related Posts

Begin typing your search term above and press enter to search.